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Thu 23 Oct 2008 12:59
Hmmmm

"Appetite for Destruction" was, and still is a fantastic album, one that transcends genres, a bloody good rock record that would sit well in any cd collection, at that point they were a thrilling cross between the NY Dolls, The Stones and The Pistols.

But now?

No Slash, No Duff, No Steven Adler (or even Matt Sorum), Izzy plays live sometimes but not on the album which seems to be an Axl Rose vanity show.

What is the point?
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Thu 23 Oct 2008 13:03
#Axl Rose, wank wank wank, Axl Rose, wank wank wank#
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These days = yeah

Back in the late 80s = singer in a great band
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Thu 23 Oct 2008 13:12
Slash = Velvet Revolver = Superb Guitarist

Guns n roses with only 1 original member = Not guns n roses

What a pathetic waste of breathing space
Thu 23 Oct 2008 13:20
Reply to Post 31845 by Jonesy in Guns N Roses release "Chinese Democracy" Slash = Velvet Revolver = Superb Guitarist

Guns n roses with only 1 original member = Not guns n roses

What a pathetic waste of breathing space


I agree

For me G N R were "a gang" it just doesn't work for me without Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven
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Thu 23 Oct 2008 13:49
I think Izzy Stradlin was the most overlooked musician in that band, maybe because you got the feeling that he wanted to be a Stone when the rest obviously wanted to be Hanoi Rocks. Just check out the Ju Ju Hounds ( any band with an ex-Georgia Satellite playing the riffs has got to be worth a look) for proof that his finest hour came later, although I do agree that Appettite... is a classic album.
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Thu 23 Oct 2008 13:58
Seems a bit daft to dismiss the album before it's even been heard and even dafter to compare it to the old stuff seeing as it's a completely different band and it isn't 1987 anymore! At the end of the day, GNR is just the name of a band. They'll live and die depending on whether the songs are any good or not... Of course, it'll probably bomb because people will just listen to it once, hate it cos it's not Appetite For Destruction and it'll be in the bargain bin (or deleted off the hard drive ; )) immediately. 8 )
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Thu 23 Oct 2008 14:59
Fucking hate this band, always have, overblown cock rock bullshit. Appetite... stank, as did everything else, as will Chinese Democracy. Grr
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Thu 23 Oct 2008 17:20
Reply to Post 31853 by Dust in Guns N Roses release "Chinese Democracy" Seems a bit daft to dismiss the album before it's even been heard and even dafter to compare it to the old stuff seeing as it's a completely different band and it isn't 1987 anymore! At the end of the day, GNR is just the name of a band.


Oh my god, could you have been any more wrong if you tried!?!? Guns N Roses circa Appetite was the result of the 5 people in it. Prior to that with different members it sucked, post that with different members it sucked. They were the perfect example of art (good or bad) being created because of the immediate space they were in. I bet you would stamp your feet immediately if it was announced that Curve were releasing stuff again but only Steve Monti and Debbie Smith were in the line up?

Its a perfect example of a band / record being a result of its parts. There is not a single song recorded post Steven Adler that even sounded like GNR. All of the musicians had their own inimitable style that made it exactly what it was. Going forward they were replaced by far more "competent" musicians, but sadly they had no soul or character. Matt Sorum was a whore who killed the Cult and he did the same to GNR.
I agree Izzy was overlooked, he had more of an English style to his guitar work. He could easily have stepped straight out of Camden circa 89.
I know its not everybodies cup of tea, but to me its still the most amazing album ever full stop. Nothing they did as a band or as separate projects ever met it halfway - with the exception of some of Izzys solo work, but even thats patchy.
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Thu 23 Oct 2008 19:22
Reply to Post 31882 by MarkLuth in Guns N Roses release "Chinese Democracy" Oh my god, could you have been any more wrong if you tried!?!? Guns N Roses circa Appetite was the result of the 5 people in it. Prior to that with different members it sucked, post that with different members it sucked.


I wasn't referring to whether a band sucked or not, I was just simply stating that the band has a different line-up now. It's a FACT, whether you like it or not..


Reply to Post 31882 by MarkLuth in Guns N Roses release "Chinese Democracy" I bet you would stamp your feet immediately if it was announced that Curve were releasing stuff again but only Steve Monti and Debbie Smith were in the line up?


Always hitting me over the head with the Curve... 8 ) Lame example though. Curve WAS Toni and Dean and they'd never reform the band without each other as they've got integrity. How about using Pink Floyd as an example instead? Three very different line ups with completely different sounds - all hugely successful with their own fans/detractors.


Reply to Post 31882 by MarkLuth in Guns N Roses release "Chinese Democracy" Its a perfect example of a band / record being a result of its parts. There is not a single song recorded post Steven Adler that even sounded like GNR. All of the musicians had their own inimitable style that made it exactly what it was.


Yet, they recorded Use Your Illusion's I and II without him, sold millions of copies and toured the world quite successfully.


Reply to Post 31882 by MarkLuth in Guns N Roses release "Chinese Democracy" Going forward they were replaced by far more "competent" musicians, but sadly they had no soul or character. Matt Sorum was a whore who killed the Cult and he did the same to GNR. I agree Izzy was overlooked, he had more of an English style to his guitar work. He could easily have stepped straight out of Camden circa 89.


I'm not really a fan so couldn't give a monkeys either way.
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Thu 23 Oct 2008 20:43
They played the single on the radio tonight. It is pretty wank. The guitars sound like NIN circa-Broken with a Slash copyist constantly widdling over the top. There's no real chorus to speak of either. Axl's voice is not too bad considering his age though.

Based on that one song, I don't think I'll be buying the album.
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Reply to Post 31894 by Dust in Guns N Roses release "Chinese Democracy" I wasn't referring to whether a band sucked or not, I was just simply stating that the band has a different line-up now. It's a FACT, whether you like it or not..


But you used the argument that the bands name was what made them GNR, not the line up. Which is wrong whatever case you write FACT in.

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Always hitting me over the head with the Curve... 8 ) Lame example though. Curve WAS Toni and Dean and they'd never reform the band without each other as they've got integrity.

Exactly, which was my point!!! GNR WAS the 5 of them and once one had been removed, it was no longer the same band. If curve with live session musicians but not Toni and Dean is not curve, then GNR without Izzy, Duff, Steven and Slash is not GNR.

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Yet, they recorded Use Your Illusion's I and II without him, sold millions of copies and toured the world quite successfully.


That does not mean anything! The quality of a song and the quantity of records sold are not directly linked. I think even Helen Keller could listen to Appetite and Use Your Illusion and assume its 2 different bands

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I'm not really a fan so couldn't give a monkeys either way.

Oh yes you do, go on admit it - while DJing you actually really have appetite on loop in your headphones dont you
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Christ, I know what Charlie means now by what he says in my signature... 8 )


Reply to Post 31898 by MarkLuth in Guns N Roses release "Chinese Democracy" But you used the argument that the bands name was what made them GNR, not the line up. Which is wrong whatever case you write FACT in.


I didn't use any argument at all. The plain FACT is that a band called GNR currently exists so I'm not wrong in any way at all.


Reply to Post 31898 by MarkLuth in Guns N Roses release "Chinese Democracy" Exactly, which was my point!!! GNR WAS the 5 of them and once one had been removed, it was no longer the same band. <snip> GNR without Izzy, Duff, Steven and Slash is not GNR.


That's just one opinion. Bet Axl's is different... :p


Reply to Post 31898 by MarkLuth in Guns N Roses release "Chinese Democracy" Oh yes you do, go on admit it - while DJing you actually really have appetite on loop in your headphones dont you : )


Nope, not my cuppa tea. I play them at the club and have a fondness for "You Could Be Mine" but that's as far as it goes.. :p
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Reply to Post 31901 by Dust in Guns N Roses release "Chinese Democracy" Christ, I know what Charlie means now by what he says in my signature... 8 )

So you were on your 3rd reply before you clicked that then!!

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I didn't use any argument at all. The plain FACT is that a band called GNR currently exists so I'm not wrong in any way at all.

Right. Im now going to start a band called Curve. I will make lots of s**t music. Then we can all say "Christ, Dusts favourite band is shit. But its definitely Curve because they are called Curve, irrelevant of whether there are any members of the original line up in it - its the fact they have name thats the important bit"
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Reply to Post 31904 by MarkLuth in Guns N Roses release "Chinese Democracy" Right. Im now going to start a band called Curve. I will make lots of s**t music. Then we can all say "Christ, Dusts favourite band is shit. But its definitely Curve because they are called Curve, irrelevant of whether there are any members of the original line up in it - its the fact they have name thats the important bit"


What is the obsession with Curve? I love the way you've completely ignored the better example I used of Pink Floyd changing their line up beyond recognition. Ah well. Good luck with the new band. The lawyers might be knocking on your door soon tho... 8 )
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